A Ship Of Fools - The Doors

7 Fév 2005, 9:55

Ian Astbury

A la voix, c'est correct pour moi : un peu poussif mais correct. Le problème, c'est l'image que Manzarek veut qu'il adopte : Astbury n'est pas Morrison et encore moins un Shaman alors que Ray (puisque c'est le leader de cette supercherie du 21ème siècle) arrête de le faire tourner autour du micro en pantalon de cuir en gueulant JIM !JIM! : c'est insupportable.

Ray Manzarek :
Pour ne pas trop lui jeter la pierre (et c'est dur), j'ai trouvé que sur light my fire au zénith, il avait été pas mauvais. Mais sur WTMO quelle horreur !! Apparemment Ray aurait dit à son ingé son de ne pas pousser les basses du clavier pour que les enregistrements passent mieux. Qu'il change de piano à ce prix là !!
Les ingénieurs du son étaient ils plus doué qu'aujourd'hui pour laisser Manzarek se chier dessus avec son clavier club dorothée !!(je vous avait prévenu que ce serait dur) ?
Riders on the storm a été dépossédé de toute son âme en live avec des solos atroces ; bref papi manzarek devrait réfléchir et se huiler un peu la main à mon sens, au lieu de critiquer ouvertement la technique de Densmore qui se débrouillerait certainement mieux que lui en live à l'heure actuelle.

Robby Krieger

Celui qui s'en sort le mieux dans cette histoire, selon moi, musicalement parlant en tout ca. L'ancien a travaillé les morceaux des Doors sur la route et ça s'entend. Malgré ses traits tirés, Robby a vieilli comme un bon vin avec le temps et on apprécie tout ça. Dommage qu'il ait encore joué au suiveur pour suivre Ray en concert...
Une biographie Robby, pour remettre les points sur les 'i'?. Un petit coup de fil à un ami aussi, peut être (John)ou bien l'avis du public ?

Angelo Barbera et TY Denis

Barbera ou le bassiste qu'on entend pas en concert : zéro sur vingt : musicien de studio payé à rien foutre en live par papi Manzarek histoire de justifier l'emploi d'un bassiste période Doors 60's ? je sais pas mais en tout cas ça laisse de la place au son pourri du Vox de Ray et c'est moche.

Le pire pour la fin
TY Denis ou l'homme aux bras carrés
Ecoutez WTMO (When The Music's Over) sur un album live des nouveaux Doors et mon dieu quelle horreur !! ce batteur jouait dans un groupe de Death Metal ou a t-il déjà écouté Densmore au moins une fois avant ? Plus de felling dans les contretemps , plus de finese, affreux.

21st century Doors, j'ai vu je suis revenu, ils m'ont pas convaincu.

Au suivant.

Joannic Laborde

7 Fév 2005, 10:02

Est-ce que Robby utilise toujours une Gibson SG ?
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7 Fév 2005, 10:17

Toujours Joannic, fidèle à cette guitare incroyable (la meilleure en Rock !)
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mojo

7 Fév 2005, 10:45

backdo': repeat...

Sauf pour un truc, Durant le concert, je me rend compte de certaines choses; Ian gâche un certains nombres de chansons à cause de sa voix et son manque de "feeling" avec la musique des Doors. Il gesticule dans tout les sens, il reprend les attitude de Morrison, c'est exagéré. Pourquoi n'est-il pas resté lui même, Ian Astbury chantant des chansons de Jim Morrison. Pas Ian Astbury essayant de faire comme Jim, car il en est incapable. Certes cela donnait de l'animation au concert pour les fans débiles n'admirant que Jim pour son physique et ses gestes provocateurs. Mais pour les "vrais fans", cela n'avait aucun sens.

C'est un bout de la critique sur les D21C que j'ai ecrite pour mon TDFA

mojo

8 Fév 2005, 11:10

Host: Welcome to the chat tonight with Ray Manzarek.

Question from Janine: How do you remember the 60's? When you reflect, what feelings do you get?

Ray Manzarek: Janine, I remember the 60’s with great love and affection. It was a magical time that I hope can come again sometime in the 21st century.

Question from Dave Thompson: What was it like working with Jim in the Doors?

Ray Manzarek: It was profound. Incredible. Thrilling. Dionysian, and quite psychedelic.

Question from Egdif: If you could do the whole thing again (The Doors) would you do it differently?

Ray Manzarek: Egdif, I would keep Jim Morrison alive. Other than that, I would do everything exactly the same.

Question from Brian: Ray, how close was the film in terms of truth (the movie about the Doors)?

Ray Manzarek: Not very - Jim Morrison was not a jerk. He was not a drunken druggie, as the film portrayed him. He was an intellectual, an artist, a poet, and very spiritual. However, Brian, the movie was very exciting. The music was terrific. The rock and roll scenes were terrific. Val Kilmer did a very good job as Jim - it's just that Oliver Stone didn't really understand Jim. It's a white powder movie about a psychedelic band, and the two have no relationship to each other - if you get what I mean.

Question from Micksten: Do you believe that there is any bands out there at the moment that can be compared to The Doors?

Ray Manzarek: Well, many bands are influenced by the doors, and I think that U2 has a Doors influence, but I wouldn't compare them to the Doors. I really haven't heard any bands that I would compare to the Doors, Micksten. After all, the Doors combined blues, classical, jug band, jazz and good old rock & roll, along with a beatnik French symbolist poet, into their own music.

Question from Billy: Ray... what direction do you think the Doors' music would have went had the Doors been still performing into the 70s?

Ray Manzarek: I think our music would have taken the direction of the Doors album, An American Prayer, Billy. That's the album with Jim's poetry on it, but by now we would be doing electronica, trip-hop, acid jazz, with lyrics.

Question from Paul: What is/was your favourite track?

Ray Manzarek: Paul, 'Light My Fire'. It was the most fun to play live, because we had long, improvisational sections, and we could really stretch out. 'Light my Fire' is also the name of my autobiography, my book about the Doors. I think you might enjoy it.

Question from Jim: What artists and bands where the Doors influenced by... if any?

Ray Manzarek: Jim, the Doors were influenced by Muddy Waters, Jon Lee Hooker, and other Chicago blues cats, along with John Coltrane, Miles Davis and Bill Evans as a jazz influence. Eygore Stravinsky and Claude Debussy were classical influences, Jim, and then the Beatles and the Rolling Stones as English rock influences, and of course, Elvis Presley, Little Richard and Chuck Berry.

Question from Alex: What was recording LA Woman with Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno like, I heard you guys recorded live?

Ray Manzarek: Yes, Alex, LA Woman is virtually a live recording, with everyone playing at the same time, and Jim in the bathroom as his isolation/singing booth. We recorded the album at our rehearsal place on the corner of La Cienga and Santa Monica. It was an incredible experience. The energy in our small rehearsal room was overflowing and manic. What a great two weeks we had. As you know, Jerry Scheff went on to play with Elvis Presley. All the footage you can see of Elvis Presley in Las Vegas has Jerry Scheff on bass.

Question from Glen: Do you think the Doors would have been such a cult group if Jim had lived? Has his death at such a young age and under tragic circumstances immortalised the group?

Ray Manzarek: Yes, Glen. However, I would much rather have Jim alive than be an immortal group. Life is always better than death - or so we think, until, perhaps, we find out just the opposite when we are in fact dead!

Question from Peter: Ray, what do you think about tribute bands such as The LA Doors and have you every seen them live?

Ray Manzarek: Peter, I like tribute bands. I don't see any thing wrong with them at all. God bless them - one and all.

9 Fév 2005, 3:41

Merci pour l'interview Mojo ! ;) : il date de quand ? Sinon barre de rire pour le petit rappel : achetez mon livre, ca ira directement sur mon compt en Suisse : putain il perd pas le nord le vieux ! Et puis il aime les tribute bands manzarek ! ah ah ! il mérite sa place chez les 21st century Doors alors, pas de doute là dessus.
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mojo

9 Fév 2005, 3:48

BEN VLA LA SUITE

Question from Tom: Is it true that Jim once lived on the roof of a Santa Monica house when he couldn't afford a room?

Ray Manzarek: Yes that is true. He slept on Dennis Jakob's rooftop, on the fourth floor of an apartment building on Venice Beach in California. But you must realise, the weather was delightful, and rather than sleep in the same apartment with Dennis, a UCLA madman filmmaker, Jim chose to sleep on the roof. It was quite delightful. That's when he came down from the rooftop, Tom, walked along the beach in Venice, and met me in the Ocean Park area on the beach, and we formed the Doors that very day.

Question from mistery_train: Can we ever expect to get to hear live versions of the following songs: Riders On the Storm, Strange Days and Waiting For the Sun?

Ray Manzarek: You might hear those songs performed by the Doors, mistery_train, with perhaps a different lead singer or two, sometime in the near future. If all goes well, we will play together again, and of course, we'll come to England.

Question from Chris: Ray, Jim wrote a poem in memorial to Brian Jones after he died in 69', did the Doors ever meet Brian or the other Stones?

Ray Manzarek: Chris, I made eye contact with Brian Jones as we were driving in opposite directions in cars in Los Angeles. I recognised him and he recognised me, and he seemed like a very good human being. Chris, we waved briefly, and passed, like two ships in the night, and I never saw him again. More's the pity. We met the other Stones when they came to our performance at the Hollywood Bowl. Nice chaps.

Question from thegoondocks: When were Jim’s vocals recorded for American prayer?? On Jim’s last birthday or are they 'the lost Paris tapes'????

Ray Manzarek: The lost Paris tapes are drunken gibberish. If you haven't heard them, you're missing nothing. They have nothing to do with Jim's poetry. An American Prayer was recorded on his last birthday on planet earth in Los Angeles.

Question from Katie: What music do you listen to now?

Ray Manzarek: Katie, I listen to electronica, and I'm in composition with a great composer/trumpeter named Bal. We will have an acid jazz, trip-hop, electronica, trance record finished sometime this summer. It will be called 'RayBal'. As a matter of fact, Katie, I'm sitting here with Bal right now, and we are working on a jazz version of an old Duke Ellington song, and we call it 'Caravan-Indica'. As soon as I finish talking to all you guys, we're going to get back to work, tripping out here in Los Angeles!

Question from Sunflower: *on hands and knees begging now*... Will there be a tour? I need to start saving so I can go... please?

Ray Manzarek: Dear Sunflower, I hope there will be a tour, so start saving, and if the fates are with us, if the three sisters allow it, we will be in England sometime within the next 12-14 months.

Question from Ian K: What do u think about the graffiti on Jim’s grave. Is it disrespectful?

Ray Manzarek: Well, Ian_K, what can you do? People want to remember Jim and leave a little message for him. I really wish they wouldn't, but how can you stop them? At least they're not chipping away pieces of Jim's gravestone, like they did his first bust that was on the grave originally. My God, Ian_K, they whacked the nose off first, just like the Sphinx, and then they proceeded to obliterate all human features. It was a beautiful likeness of Jim, and then it was reduced to a featureless blob. It was hideous. Now at least they only write. But I really wish you wouldn't when you go to Jim's grave. Pour a little good French wine on his grave - he would prefer that.

Question from Rich: I’m 16 and a great fan of the Doors. Do you think that ur music will b listened 2 in another 50 years?

Ray Manzarek: Well, who knows? As long as you're enjoying it, Rich, that's what's important to me - the here and now, and the possibilities that we might even change the world! That's what's really important, Rich, that's what we have to do. We have to save the planet, and we have to, as we said in the sixties, make love, not war.

Question from Claire: hat really happened between Janis Joplin and Jim?

Ray Manzarek: That's all gossip, Claire!

Question from Jenny: There must have been tears and laughter during your time with the Doors. Can you give me an example of a time of tears and a time of laughter?

Ray Manzarek: Tears when Jim died, but also tears of delight when the band locked in on stage at Madison Square Garden, and 20,000 people became one with the universe, hearts beating madly in time together. That was what a Doors concert was all about. And laughter, Jenny, was almost a daily occurrence with Jim, unlike the Doors Movie, in which no-one ever laughed, we laughed all the time - after all, we were potheads, and potheads love to laugh!

Question from Milly: Were drinks and drugs an accepted part of the whole culture at that time? How did you feel about it? Was it difficult to not be involved with?

Ray Manzarek: We took substances to expand consciousness. Drugs closed down consciousness. You will never see God on heroin. And drink has always been around. If you do drink, Milly, do it in moderation. Have a cocktail, a glass of scotch, a glass of wine, enjoy yourselves, but don't kill yourself. Be very careful.

Question from Zastauk: Ray - what is your treasured souvenir from those days?

Ray Manzarek: I have two. One is the original Doors demo, and the other is Jim Morrison's dictionary. What could be more important to a poet than his dictionary? And it's from our UCLA student days, and the demo record is the actual acetate that we cut with my two brothers, Rick and Jim, on guitar and harmonica. It's a great treasure to me.

Question from Casper: Ray, how did you feel about your ( and the rest of the band’s) portrayal in the book "wonderland avenue" by Danny Sugarman? And do you still keep in contact with Danny?

Ray Manzarek: Casper, I hope you've read my book about the Doors - Light my Fire, my Life with the Doors. I liked No-one Here Gets Out Alive also, and yes, I see Danny quite often. He is now the manager of the Doors.

Host: Here are some final words from Ray:

Ray Manzarek: My dear friends, thank you so much for your questions. I'm going back to composing now. It's five o'clock in the afternoon in Los Angeles, and it's a sunny day. It's good to be alive, and Jim thanks you so much for being his fans. On behalf of the doors, John, Robbie, and myself, Ray, we wish you love, harmony, peace and enlightenment. God loves you, and you are God. Thank you so much, my friends, goodnight.

c'était le 10 avril 2002

9 Fév 2005, 12:49

Ian fait travaille sur un projet solo......j'ai laissé un message délicieux ds cette section là-bas....
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10 Fév 2005, 4:31

J'ai répondu... L¨¨¨¨hl
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Andy
13 Fév 2005, 6:38

Que pensez-vous du son des "nouveaux Doors"

...Moi je ne sais pas quoi penser.
Je dois dire que ici,dans mon pays(Grece),la reunion des DOORS et leurs tournees on ete tres critique par la majorite de la presse.On entendait surtout dire des arguments du styl:
"Voila les legendaires DOORS ajoutent leur nom dans la longue liste des grands groupes qui on decide de se reunir pour une derniere "arpaxti"(mot signifiant empocher de l argent-mot vraiment tres pejoratif)"
Je ne sais pas comment la presse a reagit chez vous,mais chez nous ca a ete tres mechant!
Malgre cela,leur concert a Athenes a ete un vrai succes.
Enfin je ne sais pas quoi penser meme si je sais que si ils passent dans ma ville (Thessalonique)..j irais certainement les voirs !!

13 Fév 2005, 19:06

LOL !!!!! trop bon BackDo comment tu te la petes avec ton Pere La Chaise 2005 "ouais moi j'habite en face et tout"...j'avais pas vu LÖHL
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14 Fév 2005, 8:16

Ouais, c'est pour faire chier les ricains qui bénissent toutes ces dates anniversaires à la con.
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Le_freak

26 Fév 2005, 22:37

Moi non plus je n'aime pas trop les ''Doors Of The 21st Century''. C'est trop un coup de cash pour moi...Ne vous méprenez pas, c'Est pas que jaime pas le fait qu'ils nous font vivre un show des ''Doors'', c'est le fait qu'ils le font sans Jim...Jim était l'esprit des Doors, je crois.Je ne dis pas qu'il était les Doors, mais une partie indispensable, comme tout les membre.

http://www.harmonium.qc.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1103&highlight=doors+samedi

J'ai expliqué ce que j'en pense sur ce lien, au forum d'Harmonium, pour les interessés.

27 Fév 2005, 11:16

Alors comme ça tu es fan de Harmonium et conséquemment tu es Québécois. De où au Québec, j'habite à Gatineau, secteur Hull (maudite fusion à marde) mais je travaille et étudie à Ottawa.
Si ça t'intéresse, mon père était un grand ami de Michel Normandeau qu'il avait connu du temps qu'il travailait chez Eaton's en 1969 car Normandeau y travaillait aussi. Bien qu'ils ne se voient plus aussi souvent qu'avant, ils ont gardé les contacts.
Du temps de Harmonium, mon père allait souvent lui rendre visite à Saint-Césaire, lors des enregistrements de l'Heptade, même si c'est à ce moment que Normandeau a quitté le groupe.

mojo

1 Mar 2005, 14:05

NON MAIS VOUS AVEZ VU CE QU IL NOUS ONT MIS EN IMAGE D ENTREE SUR LE SITE DES DOORS!?!?!?!?!??!!? DU COUNTER STRIKE ET DES TANKS::::::::::::::::
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1 Mar 2005, 15:16

Je leur avais dit une fois d'enlever ce missile mais ils trouvaient qu'ils méritaient sa place et qu'il ne suggérait pas que les administrateurs pouvaient être pro-guerre.
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2 Mar 2005, 11:51

dans le dernier Rock N' Folk vous savez la petite phrase "Stupido"....les remarques à la con en somme....et bien cette fois c'est Manzarek qui s'y colle : " La dernière fois que nous avons joué à Paris, Jim Morrison était avec nous sur scène => Peine de Mort <=
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yenyen

15 Mar 2005, 15:55

J'ai pas entendu ce que font les "Doors" aujourd'hui, mais je trouve ça ridicule qu'ils osent essayer de remplacer Jim Morrison. Je n'ai pas été les voir en concert et je n'irai pas, à la limite je préfèrerai allé voir les musiciens des Doors jouaient de la musique sans chanteur.
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15 Mar 2005, 16:39

;) la même.
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NiveK-qc
26 Mar 2005, 3:52

Bof,pffffffffffffffffff ouin messemble que ray aurais pas du se rabaisser :D mais il fait ce quil peux pareil ,mais les Jim Doors sont morts :( on ne les verras jammais plus
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27 Mar 2005, 8:20

Ce qu'il fait c'est de la manipulation à créer une fausse image de Jim qui serait plus luvrative pour lui. $$$
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Jojone

10 Avr 2005, 6:14

Vous auriez pas un enregistrement que je puisse écouter ?
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